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AMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

OlafSch, AROS 68k and AROS x86 are basically the same, so the same capabilities, you probably don't use AROS x86!

Of course at the moment there is no new hardware that supports "Native" AROS 68k in a full and properly exploiting way, but that doesn't mean it will exist in the future.

On your Aros Vision can you use Network Prefs native AROS? can you take advantage of Native Video Cards ? can you run a Browser like OWB ? , you can install AROS from CD (InstallAROS) ? can you see Video at HQ resolutions, these are some things that AROS x86 does and that AROS 68k could also do !

Of course, mixing AROS 68k with old OS3 will never do these things!

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Posted 5 months ago

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pixie wrote:

@pixie - [quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=5602]If you write this you show that you have little experience of Amiga systems, the Core and no native OS 3.9 applications can run on OS 3.1 this is because OS 3.9 uses ReAction, and many other innovations introduced with OS 3.9.

I see, when i search for aminet i almost got overwhelmed by the search results!

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

OS 3.9 completely updated many parts of the operating system, including the addition of support for large hard disks, a much improved Workbench, an updated printing subsystem, new GUI engine and preferences, an improved data type system, a new Shell, and many other things

Most of which are already met through a search on the aminet for wb31.

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

Try on OS 3.1 to run something from the OS3.9 CD, nothing will work!!!

There's not much more softwore for it, now is there?

[quote name=AMIGASYSTEM post=5602]AROS 68k is more modern because it will run on modern hardware, OS 3.1 will never do it, get over it![/quote}
Lol, how many gfx card support, network cards support exists for amiga and how many support is there for this modern aros 68k you talk about? You talk in the future tense regarding 68k line? lol

Edited by pixie on 16-06-2024 08:12, 5 months ago

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Posted 5 months ago

#63

OlafSch wrote:

@OlafSch - Pixie, fortunately hardly anyone propably reads this strange discussions here so you and amigasystem do not do much harm to Aros, What a nonsense. Only a short comment a lot of 3.1 software works on Aros 68k, I MUST know that

I never talked about about if it run or not...

OlafSch wrote:

do not spread nonsense, it nerves. You both are downtalking Aros, expecially the 68k branch. How can we persuade people to use and support Aros if even people claiming to be supporter are downtalking it in public.

Perhaps if you rely on using Opus 5, Scalos experience is not that great, or Wanderer. You might like or not but i will repeat it again, simple wb31+ aminet tools put it to shame, there's a lot of hassle involved but there's also a lot of distro that provide those features in one place (amiga system, aiab, amikit...) and I know there's not much of man power behind AROS, surely I am not blamming those...

OlafSch wrote:

And of course Aros 68k is much more modern than 3.1. 3.1 is from 1992, a time without internet and even without supporting graphic cards. Of course you can add features like themeing, USB, 24bit supports with datatypes, RTG, network stack and so on that you have on Aros 68k...

Which was what I said, I was never talking about a clean installation, but I can tell you that having had installed many of those utilities/commodities/tools it had a lot of functionality to the WB 31 that I'd wished AROS had.

These utilities still belong to WB3.1 and extend its functionality and some were released way past 3.9, you can get them up till 2021 not that long ago... it ain't me stuck in 1992 you know.

OlafSch wrote:

Hardcore retro-user would in any case never use Aros whatever it offers and even if it would be 100% compatible. That is about emotions, "the name" and inheriting from original sources.

Which obviously sucks, always had... and they're shooting themselves in the foot by doing so, we could have had a free implementation long time ago had not been for this...

Edited by pixie on 16-06-2024 08:11, 5 months ago

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#64

I recently became a retro user, but I still focus on my AROS distribution if it can still be helpful For example, I really like MagicWB

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Posted 5 months ago

#65

@pixie

How much is your experience on Scalos?

It does not sound like having very much

I did more with Magellan in the past but currently I do more with Scalos.. Most you can do with Magellan, you can also do with Scalos, but different.

On 68k I can extend aros a lot by using components compiled for 3.1. Most tools work. Again I should know because I certainly longest involved with aros 68k, long before others jumped the train..

Again if you think that bad Pixie, what are you doing still here? Honestly i do not really understand it

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Posted 5 months ago

#66

OlafSch wrote:

@OlafSch - @pixie

How much is your experience on Scalos?

It does not sound like having very much

The builds I tried had a lot of glitches so I never hanged out much... I bet regular user will, just because...

OlafSch wrote:

I did more with Magellan in the past but currently I do more with Scalos.. Most you can do with Magellan, you can also do with Scalos, but different.

On 68k I can extend aros a lot by using components compiled for 3.1. Most tools work. Again I should know because I certainly longest involved with aros 68k, long before others jumped the train..

A pat in the back for yourself then!

OlafSch wrote:

Again if you think that bad Pixie, what are you doing still here? Honestly i do not really understand it

What's your problem? That I speak of my experience? How many do you think that try AROS and move along.. since you know all the stuff for being so long perhaps instead of aiming at me you could help clarify I guess, instead of aiming at those who doesn't do cheer leading enough.

Perhaps the idea you pass is that if you do not cheer lead enough around here there's no use for you to be here, I guess...

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Posted 5 months ago

#67

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@pixie

In the meantime, when I talk about OS 3.9, I'm talking about update (3.9 is not an OS but only an update of OS 3.5), then if we have to speak from theories or hearsay, that's one thing, but if we have to talk about practicality, we have to prove it with facts!

Native" OS3.9 applications will never work on OS3.1, when you run them, a request will say that you must have OS 3.9 or its libraries.

Have you ever taken a look at the OS3.9 startup-sequence? Have you ever noticed the "Amiga ROM Update", have you ever looked at what's in the Classes folder without these components no "native" OS 3.9 application can run on OS 3.1.

Have you ever noticed that OS 3.1 has all the System Application GUI's (e.g. screenmode, WBpattern, Locale etc..) are static and you can't adjust their width, the Icons management with the new Tooltypes Options, the new more advanced Shell, the Datatypes Descriptors that allow you to associate any file, with OS3.1 you can add as many Aminet Pachs as you want, the system will bloat and lose stability and you will never be able to install AfA OS or other enhancements created for OS 3.9.

If by Amiga OS you mean a system devoid of everything 4-coloured, where no files are associated, where no Media can be run then there is no point in continuing the discussion, everyone keep their own thoughts and let's close the discussion here.

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Posted 5 months ago

#68

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM
Native" OS3.9 applications will never work on OS3.1, when you run them, a request will say that you must have OS 3.9 or its libraries.
Have you ever taken a look at the OS3.9 startup-sequence? Have you ever noticed the "Amiga ROM Update", have you ever looked at what's in the Classes folder without these components no "native" OS 3.9 application can run on OS 3.1.

Obviously.. the point made is there's not so much to start from...

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

Have you ever noticed that OS 3.1 has all the System Application GUI's (e.g. screenmode, WBpattern, Locale etc..) are static and you can't adjust their width, the Icons management with the new Tooltypes Options, the new more advanced Shell, the Datatypes Descriptors that allow you to associate any file, with OS3.1 you can add as many Aminet Pachs as you want, the system will bloat and lose stability and you will never be able to install AfA OS or other enhancements created for OS 3.9.

From my experience I have no stabilities issues, bloat in WinUAE is a non issue, advanced shell I have KinCon which cover my needs, I also have deficons running, which I know isn't as advanced as 3.9. My datatype system even todays have news pictures supported such webp, and seem to work fine, ppaint and dpaint don't rely on 3.9 features or 3.5 so no problems there, but since I run WinUAE you might understand I do not rely solely solely on WB3.1 to display those. I have AFA installed* so I can get antialiased fonts and I use peterk's icon library instead of AFAOS own icons system, I cannot get themed though, but I use VisualPrefs + Birdie that I can customize at my owns will... I have other prefs that of own 3.1 own that use MUI, besides I am no fan of reaction either, so not much of a loss.

If by Amiga OS you mean a system devoid of everything 4-coloured, where no files are associated, where no Media can be run then there is no point in continuing the discussion, everyone keep their own thoughts and let's close the discussion here.[/quote]
Didn't knew there were no applications available to run media though, and I also didn't knew I was forced to 4 colour screens either since my picasso96 works just fine.

In a sense I think it's you who doesn't know how the community provided and kept providing up this day, solutions to what WB3.1 lacked, which was possible due to its modular design. I have nothing against OS3.9 mind you, it should have a lots of benefits that I am not seeing, I just enjoyed having searched over aminet for some tools (not all is patches as you want to imply) that extended wb31's life so much more I ever expected to.

*while I couldn't get it to work I know it happens to work, at least on amikit when you install it using only 3.1 files it does... never got to understand how though...

Edited by pixie on 16-06-2024 15:18, 5 months ago

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Posted 5 months ago

#69

pixie wrote:

@pixie

*while I couldn't get it to work I know it happens to work, at least on amikit when you install it using only 3.1 files it does... never got to understand how though...

Installing Amikit with OS 3.1 is very easy, I did a test on the fly, installed in 2 minutes (vedi screenshot).

As mentioned with WB 3.1 installed on AmiKit you won't be able to use the OS3.9 based Applications installed because ReAction doesn't work (see screnshot), for example you won't be able to use the text editor set to Dopus4 !

I have all Amiga OS installed on WinUAE "All" Here you can see some:
https://www.amiga...p?p=257743

plus I have Amithlon installed on VirtualBox and VMware !
Amithlon includes parts of my AfA One + AfA OS, see video !!!
https://youtu.be/...

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Posted 5 months ago

#70

All the best Amiga software runs on OS 3.1

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Posted 5 months ago

#71

Yes, best Amiga software from 30 years ago that in today's times is of no use, only to nostalgics!

Enough with this nostalgia, let's think about the future, in about ten years when all Amiga users will be old, and no one will repair old Amiga hardware, Amiga OS won't be used anymore, only Emulation.

AROS is the only system that can survive as it is a free system and runs on modern hardware!

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miker1264Software Dev

Posted 5 months ago

#72

Ten years from now, or even twenty years from now, if there's only one Amigan left then Amiga OS Classic will survive!

I'm using Caffeine OS on my Amiga 1200 with PiStorm 32 Lite. I'm quite impressed with it. I'd like to install AROS Caffeine or even AfA OS.

Amiga OS is what got me started many decades ago and it's what keeps me interested in AROS. L

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#73

I'll take care of Tiny Aros and, when needed, promote new software Meanwhile, I've bought an Amiga 1200 is a ReAmiga, but I haven't used it yet I'm missing the ROMs and I'm not sure whether to install 3.1 with MagicWB or 3.2, i have a Terrible Fire 060 LC, maybe I'll install some games, but I'd like to use the software to access Amiga websites and have some fun as a retro user

Edited by Amiwell79 on 17-06-2024 11:50, 5 months ago

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miker1264Software Dev

Posted 5 months ago

#74

Amiwell79

Awesome! I'm glad you bought an Amiga 1200. I bought my Amiga 1200 back in 2006 when prices were reasonable. I only paid $236 USD for my new old stock Amiga 1200 made by Amiga Technologies. I bought it from a place called Merlancia but I don't think they are still there.

I'm quite pleased with my Amiga 1200. For a long time I refused to upgrade it in any way. It was using an old 240MB (yes I said Mega Bytes) mechanical hard drive. A few years ago I upgraded to an IDE to SD adapter with a 2GB SD card for the hard drive. It was running Workbench 3.1 for a long time. I also added an Indivision AGA scan doubler. About six months ago I added a PiStorm 32 Lite accelerator. My A1200 is now happily running Caffeine OS 924.

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Posted 5 months ago

#75

miker1264 wrote:

@miker1264 - Ten years from now, or even twenty years from now, if there's only one Amigan left then Amiga OS Classic will survive!

I'm using Caffeine OS on my Amiga 1200 with PiStorm 32 Lite. I'm quite impressed with it. I'd like to install AROS Caffeine or even AfA OS.

Amiga OS is what got me started many decades ago and it's what keeps me interested in AROS. L

I like both AROS and AmigaOS 3.1 because of its simplicity. In normal life i have to work with windows, it is powerful but also very complex. There are often problems you do not really understand the reason. On amiga-based platforms you can mostly easy find the reasons. And you can extend almost everything. That is expecially the case on 68k with the huge software base. For me the best part on 68k are not some old games or applications like DPaint but the countless small tools you can explore and integrate using sophisticated and configurable desktops. Of course you cannot do everything you do on mainstream platforms but it is hobby.

ntromansMember

Posted 5 months ago

#76

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM - Yes, best Amiga software from 30 years ago that in today's times is of no use, only to nostalgics!

!

Funnily enough, at work (teritary education) I am complemented for the excellence of my resources - made with PageStream 4...

Cheers,
Nigel.

Amiwell79Distro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#77

Miker1264

I paid 700 euros, including shipping costs Prices for an Amiga 1200 have gone up a lot recently, not just for the 1200 itself I also got many accessories, including a handmade HDMI scandoubler that guarantees 720p/1080p resolution and can be used with Highgfx drivers I haven't had a chance to try it yet since I'm still waiting for the ROMs to arrive I also have a Gotek, an external disk drive, a network card, two joysticks, an optical mouse, a PCMCIA card for data exchange, a new PSU, a set of Workbench 3.1 disks, and a 32GB compact flash with the same OS I had ROMs, but they broke and I couldn't replace them I also got Workbench 3.2 with ROMs I spent a lot, but I don't regret it at all Anyway, it's a completely rebuilt ReAmiga from scratch I think the price is fair

Edited by Amiwell79 on 17-06-2024 14:50, 5 months ago

AMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer

Posted 5 months ago

#78

@ntromans

PageStream was an excellent software, the Amiga version not suitable for RTG screens, PageStream in a more modern version also exists for Windows, Macintosh and Linux

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Posted 5 months ago

#79

miker1264 wrote:

I'm using Caffeine OS on my Amiga 1200 with PiStorm 32 Lite. I'm quite impressed with it. I'd like to install AROS Caffeine or even AfA OS.

Caffeine OS is based OS 3.9, too bad they didn't add AfA OS to improve Graphics, Fonts and Window Themes!

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Posted 5 months ago

#80

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