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Hello, and Help!

Last updated on 1 month ago
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BBQ_TroyJunior Member
Posted 1 month ago
HI All,

Again, thanks for all the support and help.

FYI - I've tried every suggestion (except a usb hub as I don't have one at the moment) and a few other things regarding the mouse and keyboard. On my system there was no missing Trident config file in the RAM disk but I've been into Trident several times and saved working setups several times and copied the relevant files to the right location so that it will load into RAM on next boot, but the problem still exists unfortunately. My current work around is leave the mouse plugged in and unplug the keyboard for each boot. Once booted the mouse does seem to work (if its the only thing plugged in) and if I then plug in the keyboard (after boot) that works too. Obviously I'd rather not have to unplug the keyboard every time I start the computer up but the work around does get me going ok.

Is there a general system wide volume control in AROS One - like the volume control in the windows task bar?

@AMIGASYSTEM - OK understood about other programs that require a floppy I have had a TrackDisk.device error come up once before when trying to use something. At least I now know why and I can avoid those programs or if I really want to use one of them do something similar to what you did with the hex editor (attempt it at least).

Regards, Troy.
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FaroxMember
Posted 1 month ago
@AMIGASYSTEM don't know if possible...but i think we need to make some kind of script that run Trident, save prefs, and then copy the generated poseidon.prefs to prefs/ENV-archive/SYS so system will use it when boot again.
It's only an idea.
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 1 month ago
Thanks ntromans, I think you are right, that's why in AROS One there are no Audio preferences, Network etc.. what I don't understand is why some Hardware, for example the Sound Card on some PCs is automatically detected and on others you have to save the AHI preferences.
Maybe the plug and play hardware doesn't work properly on AROS?
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ntromansMember
Posted 1 month ago

AMIGASYSTEM wrote:

@AMIGASYSTEM - Farox I think it will work, since you have tested it can you kindly attach the file "poseidon.prefs" here so I can include it in the next version of AROS One, thank you !


Unofrtunately Poseidon's prefs will reflect each person's unique setup (they are saved at the device level, so e.g. two different mice will have an entry each in the prefs) so it's not really possible to have a version you can generally distribute; each user will need to save their oiwn for their own hardware.

Cheers,
Nigel.
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 1 month ago
Farox I think it will work, since you have tested it can you kindly attach the file "poseidon.prefs" here so I can include it in the next version of AROS One, thank you !
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FaroxMember
Posted 1 month ago
Hi Troy
Has @ntromans suggested you could try the workaround i found some months ago when i had trouble with a gamepad.
You could find here
https://github.com/deadwood2/AROS/issues/141

Workaround:

"I think found why USB Pad/Joy (and maybe others USB ?) where not correctly used after a reboot (at least on AROS One where i tested), poseidon.prefs was missing in RAM:ENV/SYS directory.

I solved opening "trident" panel and then saving prefs, then copyed over to "AROS Live Drive:prefs/ENV-archive/SYS" so when you reboot the file "poseidon.prefs" is copyed in RAM:ENV/SYS directory and used by the system.

Now the gamepad is used every time without unplug/replug in."

Hope you solve it.
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ntromansMember
Posted 1 month ago
Hi Troy,
A couple more thoughts in the USB:

  • In trident prefs, with the devices shown trying saving the prefs to see if that helps.
  • If the above doesn't help, maybe try connecting the keyboard and mouse through a hub.


Cheers,
Nigel.
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 1 month ago
OK, my hunch was correct, as I predicted a Floppy drive was not enabled in your hardware, that's because your Bios did not provide for a Floppy drive.

I assume that the previous installed Operating System (Windows, Linux) on that PC did not handle a Floppy either.

Importantly, Dopus4 i modified now works, but as mentioned other Floppy-enabled Applications will not work or will give errors when loading!
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BBQ_TroyJunior Member
Posted 1 month ago
Yes, that version works.
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 1 month ago
OK your Bios does not include the floppy, did the version of Dopus4 I sent you work?

If it didn't work then it may be that the DVD wasn't burned well.
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BBQ_TroyJunior Member
Posted 1 month ago
Hi AMIGASYSTEM,

I don't think I'm going crazy, I can't see any floppy options - see photo's

Regards,
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AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 1 month ago
OK I attach the modified version, but consider that on AROS One there are other applications that require the floppy drive to be present.

Check well in the Bios if there is any entry in other Menus that enables the Floppy

https://tinyurl.c...
AMIGASYSTEM attached the following file:
dopus4-nofloppy.zip [224.79kB / 50 Downloads]
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BBQ_TroyJunior Member
Posted 1 month ago
Thanks AMIGASYSTEM,

Yes, please send me a modified copy of Dopus4. The BIOS has a boot device "USB-FDD" but that is the only reference to a Floppy in the whole BIOS. It's enabled but might not considered a true floppy. The board in the All in One PC looks like it can't take a floppy connection so it's probably not considered on this PC.

Regards,
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 1 month ago

BBQ_Troy wrote:

@BBQ_Troy - Hi All,

Now we are really getting somewhere 👍🎉

I don't know what happened with sound but I went into "AHI prefs" and everything looked ok so I did a sound test which worked - so I hit save and ever since then I've had sound, even after several reboots.

This is why I advised you to go to AHI prefs, on AROS One there are no AHI saves because on PC there are several Audio Shede, of course in many cases it is automatically detected, in your case it was not detected, I don't know the reasons.

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as the default in Grub and reduced the auto select time down so I now only need to wait a few seconds and don't need to touch anything. 👍


On AROS One, I increased the time to give inexperienced users a chance to take a good look at the Grub entries, and where compared to the normal Grub, I added the following to the 'Early Startup' menu.

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Sorry, I can't show you anything with Dopus4 as nothing happens - double click and nothing - except the HDD light will flick once or twice like its trying to activate it. It also wont work from the CD even if I've booted from the CD so maybe it was corrupted on the CD I created so I might try burning another one from the iso file and then copy that across to the HDD to see what happens.


This is probably because in the Bios you disabled the Floppy drive, Dopus4 if it doesn't find the Floppy won't boot.

If you don't want to activate the Floppy, I can send you modified Dopus4 where I deleted "TrackDisk.device", I'm not a developer, for testing I simply deleted the "TrackDisk.device" with a Hexadecimal Edit, and Dopus4 works even if there is no Floppy drive.
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BBQ_TroyJunior Member
Posted 1 month ago
Hi All,

Now we are really getting somewhere 👍🎉

I don't know what happened with sound but I went into "AHI prefs" and everything looked ok so I did a sound test which worked - so I hit save and ever since then I've had sound, even after several reboots. Probably a stupid question but is there a general system wide volume control - I can't seem to find one? I've now been listening to some cool music with Protrekkr (which has its own volume control). Maybe I can somehow map volume to the keyboard I'm using that has volume buttons but is obviously not currently configured in the system.

ntromans:
No luck with native graphics but I've set my preferred screen mode (which looks really nice anyway) as the default in Grub and reduced the auto select time down so I now only need to wait a few seconds and don't need to touch anything. 👍
Also no luck with "sys:prefs/trident nogui". It seems that if I leave both mouse and keyboard (both usb) plugged in, the system does not register them. If I unplug the keyboard, when the system loads the mouse is fine, and if I then plug the keyboard back in it will register with the system and work fine too. Sometimes when they are not working if change usb ports they will start working. Is there a way to configure/set them in the system as always registered even if its against a dedicated usb port that would be fine. I was looking in Trident which shows them but not sure if I can configure them (or how to) in there or not.

AMIGASYSTEM:
Sorry, I can't show you anything with Dopus4 as nothing happens - double click and nothing - except the HDD light will flick once or twice like its trying to activate it. It also wont work from the CD even if I've booted from the CD so maybe it was corrupted on the CD I created so I might try burning another one from the iso file and then copy that across to the HDD to see what happens.

Regards,
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ntromansMember
Posted 2 months ago
Hi Troy,
Really good to hear things are starting to work for you; nice cheat using another system, just a bit weird it woudlnt work straight off. Still, if it works it wroks!

Re. graphics, just a thought but have you tried native graphcs (top option in Grub)? You might be lucky and have a supported chipset in your machine.

To echo Amigasystem, if sound worked wihen booting from DVD it should wrk from HDD, so as he mentioned please do look in AHI prefs and see what it says.

As to the USB issue, try adding this line to your user-startup (found in AROS:s, just use Editor in uilities to edit):

sys:prefs/trident nogui

I've hacked a USB touchscreen onto one of my machines and I needed to add this line to get it working at boot, so maybe it will help with your keyboard and mouse.

Cheers,
Nigel.
Edited by ntromans on 07-10-2024 12:27, 2 months ago
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
The mouse insertion problem only happens on some PCs, it will be fixed in the future !

About Dopus if it doesn't open something is not installed properly, what error are you getting, can you take a video or screenshot!

Regarding audio which device do you see in AHI prefs?
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BBQ_TroyJunior Member
Posted 2 months ago
Hi AMIGASYSTEM,

Thanks for the info - I've been able to change the default screen mode now.
I did not need to replace those files as when I swapped over the HDD the pointer was working correctly on the new HDD.
I do need to keep unplugging and plugging mouse and keyboard back in (always have) as they seem to not register with the system until replugged back in - usually into a different USB port.
I'll need to work on why sound isn't working next, also DOPUS won't open. I'll work on these over the next few days.

Regards, Troy 👍
AMIGASYSTEMAMIGASYSTEMDistro Maintainer
Posted 2 months ago
Yes on the Grub you can set the resolution you want by default, you have to edit the grub.cfg file, it's a text file found in the Arch/pc/grub path

Basically you have to wire the number that corresponds to that resolution, the default is "set default=4".

For audio, if it worked from the DVD, it must also work from the hard disk!

For Mouse disappearing did you use the Fix I attached ?
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BBQ_TroyJunior Member
Posted 2 months ago
Ok, I've had some success by cheating - I installed AROS One using a different computer on a different HDD and then swapped the HDD to the computer I want to use it in. Now I'm booting into AROS One fine and running programs - no errors yet (fingers crossed). Do I always need to choose the screen resolution in Grub on startup or is there a way to default it? Also, where do I look for trouble shooting sound as it seems I have none and while I know sound is one of those things that only works on some hardware it did initially when being run from CD so it seems like it should be possible?
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